Your Self Preservation VS. the Sirat of Moulana Ali AS?

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Site of the Battle of Khandaq Near Medina – Source Wikipedia commons
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Map delineating the area where the Battle of Khandaq took place outside of Medina. The green line indicates the trench.

Dear Mr. Qutbuddin,

You have openly alleged that for the three years following the mild stroke of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA that his entire family, especially his own Shehzadas, had taken advantage of his medical condition to basically lay waste to everything he had sown and reaped in the Dawat for the last fifty years as the 52nd Dai of the Dawoodi Bohra community. During this time, if you believe it to be true since you have purported this on your Fatemidawat.com, not you or one member of your family or followers stood and tried to support Burhanuddin Moula RA. No one rose to try and rectify what you and your eminent learned children have considered a critical moment in Dawat. You have maintained that you did this for the preservation of yourself, and your children said in a press conference that you were silent because you hoped that Syedna’s health would get better. But in other places you have said that Syedna was so ill and his family, for lack of a better word, masqueraded Burhanuddin Moula RA and literally brandished him around to try and falsely demonstrate that Nass was done on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS. I hope you do understand how this allegation, in itself, is so very offensive to every Dawoodi Bohra, although it has become a fundamental belief in establishing the legitimacy of your Qutbi Dawat. In fact, you say this deception and chicanery went on for three years and you labeled it as something like ‘drama baazi’ on your official website Fatemidawat.com. You said that the reason for your silence and inaction to protect Burhanuddin Moula RA was because he had told you not to reveal to anyone that nass was done on you until the ‘right time’ because had you done so before his demise – your life would be in danger. In other words, your silence, your retreat, your decision not to help Burhanudidn Moula RA while his children were doing this was because of your need for your own self-preservation. You have quoted Marhoom Mukasir Saheb as saying “talwaar chali jaate,” etc. With all of your exuberant claims, the fact that 1 million Dawoodi Bohras have been led astray because of your alleged secret and self preservation is inconsequential to you. The fact that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin’s RA legacy of preparing so many nufus for Imamuz Zaman’s Zuhur is now in shambles because only the 300 people or so who follow you remain as the only true believers, means nothing in comparison to your own life. This defeats logic on its own terms – but okay – let’s say you’re right for a brief second. Let’s say you did all of this to preserve your own life. You didn’t come to the janazah because of the safety of your life. You led one million people astray because of an alleged secret which was kept to protect your life.

The action of self-preservation at the detriment of Haq na Sahib and the well-being of the nufus of Mumineen makes little sense logically and theologically. It is uncharacteristic of someone who would claim to be Moulana Ali’s Dai. Here is a breakdown of what I am trying to say.

  • When Shaikhun Najdi got members of the Quraish to come and assassinate Rasullullah SAW while he slept, it was Moulana Ali AS who slept in his bed in his place. He thought of Rasullullah SAW and not his own self-preservation at the time and Ameerul Mumineen has said that this incident was one of the seven of his greatest trials in his life.
  • In the Battle of Uhud, Rasullullah SAW suffered many losses and he himself was wounded on the battlefield. When the Muslimeen thought they had won, the army dispersed and went to collect the war booty. Rasullullah SAW was left alone and the disbelievers returned and then lead an attack on Rasullullah SAW. During that time, Moulana Ali stayed and said that he would protect Rasullullah SAW. Rasullullah SAW told Moulana Ali to also go and leave- and in reply he said, “Shall I become a kafir after bringing Islam?” Moulana Ali SA defeated the enemies and did not leave Rasullullah alone, an act of such bravery and loyalty that the riwaayats say that Jibra’il came from the skies and said, “This is the true meaning of loyalty,” and “There is no fata (young man) like Ali.” May I remind you – you have alleged that the title of fata also belongs to you.
  • Another example – during the Battle of Khandaq, ‘Amr bin Abde Wadd crossed the khandaq dug to protect the people of Medina in which the Muslimeen were quite worried of what would happen next and if they might lose the battle. Burhanuddin Moula RA always called this event “a critical moment” in Islam because ‘Amr bin Abde Wadd was such a fierce warrior and enemy. At that time again, when everyone was worried about their own self-preservation, it was Moulana Ali who stood and said that I will go and fight him. He protected Rasullullah even though it meant his life was in danger. There were others present there at that time who decided not to go and fight ‘Amr bin Abdewadd during this ‘critical moment’ and decided to indulge in their own self-preservation. We all know who they are and there is no need for me to mention that here and on which side of the analogy you fall. I am just not understanding your actions because I for one, would never let my Moula suffer for the thought of my own self-preservation. However, according to your own testimony and allegations against Burhanuddin Moula’s RA family this is exactly what you have done.
  • There are not just examples of Moulana Ali which exist- countless Hudood of Dawat sacrificed themselves for Haq na Sahib. For example, Syedi Feerkhan Shujauddin went to the Qayd Khana with Syedna Qutbuddin Shahid RA even though doing so might cause him harm or even death. There was eminent danger there too, no? How about Syedi Musanjee bin Taaj, from my own watan of Baroda. He was put in burning oil while he was protecting his Dai. The first thought of Mumineen has always been to protect Sahib uz Zaman. This is our history and this is our tradition. These are our natural feelings as a community – Moula par fida thawu – not just in words but in reality. It is considered an honor. You might say that your actions were for the preservation of the nufus of Mumineen through your own preservation. However, how does the loss of a million followers equate that? It does not make any sense, Mr. Qutbuddin.

So in light of these well-known historical events recording Moulana Ali’s protection of Rasullullah SAW, I want to ask you, Mr. Qutbuddin, whose Dai are you? Why did you let Moula suffer so much if indeed you really believe what you have said officially on your website and elsewhere? Would anyone look at your actions and say that you are truly Moulana Ali’s Dai? I think we all deserve an explanation of what was going in your head during this time since you are claiming to be the Fatemi Dai. What does fidaayat actually mean in your ideologies? You said in your Ashura sermon this year that you are the ‘sacrifice of Imamuz Zaman.’ How so, if you weren’t even willing to sacrifice yourself for Burhanuddin Moula in his critical moment while his children supposedly did what you openly have alleged. Please answer soon as I think this is very fundamental to the veracity of all your claims.

Yours truly,

Alefiya Ujjainwala

Mandsaur, UP.

80 thoughts on “Your Self Preservation VS. the Sirat of Moulana Ali AS?

  1. Logically addressed alifya behen .
    Self preservation is exactly what qutbuddin sought , rather selfish self preservation.
    The whole world asks why was he quiet for 3 years and no one can be mislead by his immature reply that there was a threat to my life, from the bohra community ? If one million people are a threat to you then certainly you have done something to antagonize them , hurt them and insult them.
    History repeats itself , Like sulayman l a was quiet for 3 years you have done the same either knowingly to follow in his footsteps and match his horrific demise , or the tadbir of enayat ilahiyyah has played its role that you match him.
    Open your eyes and dont follow the demon .
    Follow the truth.

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    • Aleifya ben… He didnt attend urs mubarak syedna taher saifuddin ra which he attended without fail for years but he was aware that syedna mohammed burhanuddin ra will.definitely performed nas e jaleel hence we ran away.

      It is very clear… he was not side of syedna mohammed burhanuddin ra throughout 50 yrs. He was busy in his own identity. He formed zahra hasanat trust though it was not require. There are many incidents by which it is clear that he didnt help in critical time such as saifee hospital case, four munafeqin case, jamea anwar, al jamea tus saifiyah, etc

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    • just one thing
      it wasnt the threat of 1 million people but of just a few, many, sadly, who are widely respected and would have been dangerous for burhanuddin maula to reveal as traitors.
      if you are wiling to talk about maulana ali na seerato then think of when he had to stay at home for many years while the zahiree khilafat went to dushmano who themselves disguised themslelves as muslimeen namely awal sanee and salis. and think of how few shia stood with maula ali.
      THE SASME SITUATION IS TODAY.

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      • That is a nice analogy but Burhanuddin Moula RA said “Zuhoor nu waqt ehna suhoor ma che.” (1417 H. Masjid Aazam Iftitah). I was there because Mufaddal Moula TUS told me to come in Ashara. Duaato usually say jumlao to describe the zamaan -i.e. Syedna Abdullah Badruddin RA said “Fitnat na waadalo gira huwa che.” etc. My point is – if Zuhoor ehna suhoor ma hoi then how does your analogy of Ameerul Mumineen sitting in the home fit with what Burhanuddin Moula RA said continuously. Does it fit for you?

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  2. Imam Ali Zainulabedeen AS beseeched to seek shahadat rutba even after imam husain AS had done nass on him. Leading the future ummat was never a deterrent to face fiercest of trials for the protection of zaman na saheb. On the contrary KQ says he chose not to be fida on his maula because he was aspiring to lead dawat in future! What a stark contrast!

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  3. foolishly written without any meaning
    he did to lead mumeenin on right path after SMB death.
    forget about dawdaar altogether for some time.
    fist why did SMB did nass in private on MS even if there was no such circumstances.
    ok there is hikmat in it.
    then why did he chose to make public after his 100 years?
    there is also hikmat in it.
    now the funniest thing, he chose to make public when his speech got lost.
    wow now this is very fantastic and interesting
    he chose to do zaheri nass when his zaheri speaking capacity got blocked.
    there is lesson to learn from the above things if u have brain to think.
    coz in quran it is clearly written, use ur brains otherwise become brain dead as we have already become.
    thanks and shukaran

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    • Nass has been done in private to several witnesses many times in the history of Dawat so the many cases in which Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA disclosed nass on Mufaddal Moula’s TUS several times among many witnesses isn’t an incredible story. It makes sense and many times in the history of Dawat nass has happened like this. However, Mr. Qutbuddin’s story is rather different. He claims nass was done privately to him with no witnesses fifty years ago and he wasn’t suppose to tell anyone until the right time. In this history of Dawat this type of nass has occurred precisely zero times. Yes, that’s correct – zero times. So thank you for advising us to use our brains. That is very good advice.

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  4. What is an incredible story is that Syedna Burhanuddin RA did not tell his own “Mansoos”. Is that also in the history of dawat?

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    • I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Burhanuddin Moula RA called Mufaddal Moula TUS and showed him the diary himself. So again, if you want to appear credible when you comment it would be wise to have the facts straight.

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  5. What you call a fact was something Mufaddal BS stated he “forgot” about. So much so, there was no mention of it in 2011. All other instances got a mention but this, the most important, did not – of course, you will find a precedent in history of dawat for this too?

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    • The point, Mr. Kimanumanu, is that you said, “What is an incredible story is that Syedna Burhanuddin RA did not tell his own “Mansoos.” Also Mufaddal Moula never said he forgot about it. Are you adding information to the narrative so you can appear that you’re right? That is the definition of changing history. There is also a written diary to prove Mufaddal Moula’s TUS narrative. Is there any tangible proof of some sort to prove Khuzeima Qutbuddin’s narrative that Burhanuddin Moula TUS told him in front of no one that he was going to be the 53rd Dai in private fifty years ago?

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      • pls give me tangible proof that the diary is not a forgery, that it wasnt written after burhanuddin maulas wafat in order to support the argumument mr qutbuddin.
        and by the way if you really think that qutbuddin maula is even going to bother reading your weak arguments and respond, then your going to be really disappointed, because he has better things to do like handling dawat, especially if the author is bent on defaming him and not actually trying properly debate these topics and just giving the pretense of an argument
        oh also we’re not really worried about people like you or ms because Shiate Aliun Humul faizoon

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      • Shouldn’t he be worried about giving Dawat to Mumineen and the muhibbeen of Burhanuddin Moula RA. Isn’t that what running the Dawat, as you say, actually means. Dawat means to call, no? Then why wouldn’t he answer the questions. He is the Dai – he must.

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  6. Y don’t people just once in your life time go and ask Mr qutbuddin for proofs and get testified by ur own self?
    I knw u ppeople won’t because he doesn’t have any such proofs with him just baseless ujjat.
    Please some one from Mr qutbuddin side jst ask your moula y does he need the quraan again nd again to declare himself as the dai?
    If it would be such as he says that nass was done on him in private then many other brothers of burhanuddin moula must have gotten the chance to be with him alone or being called in alone so y did the other brothers and shehzadas didn’t came up with the story Mr qutbuddin is up with.

    Y JUST HIM AND NO ONE ELSE?

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    • if that is how it is then i dare MS to swear by the quran he is dai because i know he isnt and if he does he will be in worse trouble with khuda then before

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      • I think the first letter in this website actually shows that such an ‘amal doesn’t make sense and isn’t proof. Because even if Imamuz Zaman said that this is the Dai, we would have to ask haq na sahib who it is like in the zaman of Syedna Hebatullah al-Moiyyad fi deen. Unfortunately, your sahib waited until no one could reveal anything.

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  7. All the pro kq people talking nonsense on this blog.
    Some of u were bragging that kq and his family will come for ziyarat on urus night.
    What happened?
    Why didn’t he come?
    Why didn’t he order his followers on his website to go for ziyarat on his website?
    Janazah ma aney ziyarat ma burhanuddin maula Ra ye ehna c muh phirawi lidu

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  8. Mamajiwala,
    You really had no love for Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA Moula.
    First of all Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA NEVER did Nass on Mr. Khuzaima. It’s a fictitious story that he has spun up to be a claimant to be Dai. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA did not make anything public after 100 years.

    How many times have you come in hazarat of Aqa Moula Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA? It seems it might range from none to a few times. Cause clearly you haven’t seen Burhanuddin Moula’s RA shaan and rutba. And you are comparing Him to any other human being.

    HE has given speech to Mumineen who couldn’t speak.
    HE has made Mumineen walk who hadn’t walked ever.
    HE has saved Mumineen in different cities from their troubles.
    HE has shown Moziza’s every milli second of His lifetime and is continuing showing them from the Qabar Mubarak in Raudat Tahera. One of them being making sure Mr. Khuzaima doesn’t step foot in His Father and His Holy resting place.
    And you say that HE couldn’t perform Zaheri Nass.
    You need to use your Brains and stop it from being Washed by Mr. Khuzaima and His Children.

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  9. Abde,
    Who are you and why do you consider yourself so important that you actually think we will give you tangible proof regarding the authenticity of the diary.
    Why don’t you ask Mr. Khuzaima to go through a lie detector test since he’s the only one who thinks that Nass was conferred upon him. He has NO proof whatsoever. Whereas they are innumerable proof both Living and Materials which including audios and videos which show the Nass conferred on Syedna Aali Qadr Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.
    Please enlighten us all by telling us what Mr. Khuzaima has to do whole day. He has left Darus Sakifa only once in the past year. He must be pretty bored. Show him this website cause none of you have any answers to the questions or counter arguments that are posted here. Nor the author or any one of us are defacing him, just stating facts, facts to which you have no answers to post.
    Mr. Khuzaima is indeed scared, that’s the reason he doesn’t come to Raudat Tahera. He’s so scared that he doesn’t leave his Hell Hole. He’s jailed in his own home like a prisoner.

    I’m quoting you, ‘I want Syedna Aali Qadr Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS to swear by the Quran that he’s Dai. And if he does He will be in worse trouble with Khuda then before’ (do correct me if my interpretation is wrong).
    Your asking for something to be done and have already based your conclusions before its actually been done. What’s the point?

    Why didn’t you believe and follow the Bolta Quran Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA when he performed Nass?

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    • If the audio/video were clear then we would not be having the split today. You can deny it all day and night but the plain fact is the audio/video are open to interpretation and are not clear.

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      • After rasulullah s wafat, the split in the Muslim community occurred on a huge scale
        Then according to kimanu s absurd justification ,gadir e khum nass was also not clear bcoz split occurred.
        Is it so kimanu
        Then u r having a question with rasulullah also

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      • Hey Kimanumanu, go get decent headphones. That will make you hear “Mufaddal bhai ney nuss nu taj…”very audibly, if nothing else.

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  10. Kimanumanu,
    The Audio and Video are not clear to you because you don’t want it to be clear. You just want reasons to justify Mr. Khuzaima and his claims. It is the most clear indication to what happened in Cromwell Hospital (how come Mr. Khuzaima nor His Children have anything to say to it in their Sijill articles?)
    Leave the audio and video aside for the moment. What about the Nass that was conferred in the presence of Shezada Qaid Johar Bs and Shezada Malik Ul Ashtar Bs in London, to the 4 witnesses, in the Diary, in Raudat Tahera (the Nass is a public Nass since it was shown live worldwide and in the presence of 5000+ Mumineen sitting there. If this is not classify as a public Nass to you, nothing will).
    What about Mr. Khuzaima. What does he have? A lie about Nass being conferred in private. No Dai in Dawat History has been made Dai only on the basis of Nass being conferred in private. There has always been Shahid’s to Nass and Public Nass and there can’t be any exception.

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  11. I have no interest in justifying or making excuses for anyone – haq does not need to be justified by me. I believe in speaking the truth and to me the video of Raudat Tahera raised questions and the other, more clear, audio recordings confirmed this. My reasoning is that if something fishy went on in that event, it logically raises the question of trust. How can I trust any other instances if the one that was supposed to be 100% proof actually wasn’t? For the record, I fully trusted and revered Syedna Burhanuddin RA and, like others, had accepted the “nass” when it was announced and later done publicly in Raudat Tahera. However, now that I have had the opportunity to view the video again and listen to audio recordings that were not available back then, it has made me re-think. It also does not help that ex-Mazoon, someone whom I had no reason to treat as an enemy all this time, has stated otherwise. I applaud you for having such firm views on your beliefs but understand that not everyone is like you. You have already accused me of “not wanting it to be clear” but I stand by what my eyes and ears are telling me.

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    • However, even if we dismiss that one event as proof, there are more, as you say, fishy things going on with the ex-Mazoon’s story about a ‘nass’ being done without witnesses fifty years ago that no one was suppose to know about.

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  12. I think I am done on this topic. I have stated very clearly that I have doubts on the Raudat Tahera “nass” event. I have also stated very clearly that the doubt is based on having viewed the video multiple times and listened to other more clear audio recordings. Nowhere have I stated that the split is the reason why I am doubting. On the contrary, I have mentioned that the split has happened because audio/video are not clear. I hope this is simple and clear enough.

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  13. Again, I have not said that all the other documents were forged as I have no means of determining that. What I have said is that it raises a doubt and hence a question of trust. Just like we are told that even a single drop of alcohol is haraam, the validity of that one event has a polluting effect on all other evidence. I also have questions for ex-Mazoon, however, please put it in the context of someone (like myself) who was not privy to all the “skeletons” that came out after wafat. To me it was the greatest shock of my life to hear such things being mentioned about ex-Mazoon. I had happily ignored all the Zahir-Batin material put forward by Taizoon as again it was far too shocking for me to accept it at the time. So try and imagine how my whole belief and trust has been shaken when not only I hear all those things and laanats but Mufaddal BS himself stating during Ashara waaz that indeed he was doing dushmani all that time – which effectively actually confirmed that Taizoon was after all telling the truth with his Zahir-Batin stuff. As I have stated before, I applaud your firm belief but try and put yourself, if you can, in the shoes of someone like me and see it from my point of view and hopefully you will start to comprehend how much of an emotional and spiritual turmoil others may be going through.

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    • I do understand – but I don’t think Mufaddal Moula said in the ashara bayano that he was doing dushmani. He said that when the Nairobi incident occurred Mr. Khuzaima took several months to come and apologize to Moula. And I have never heard Mufaddal Moula TUS play lanat outright – although Mumineen have fervently.

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    • I am sorry you are going through spiritual turmoil, but during such a time you shouldn’t try to find answers on the internet or vent on an online forum – go to your local Aamil to gain answers or a higher source if possible. Taizoon’s Zahir-Batin was breach of an oath of allegiance to keep knowledge at that level hidden because not all would understand what was being said. If you read knowledge at that level you are only suppose to ask the person who taught you for clarification. The oath is strict and even invokes lanat and divine wrath to those who break it – it is probably one of the most strictest of oaths. And Taizoon broke that oath and people who read his nonsense seem to be the confused ones. Perhaps the bayaans are true, that you shouldn’t read things and knowledge that isn’t meant for you and for which there isn’t raza. Isn’t a fundamental of our Dawoodi Bohra faith remembering Adam and his acquirement of forbidden fruit?

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      • I appreciate your advise but this is where our community fails us currently. I personally witnessed how kids were asked to pray laanat just days after wafat. With such an environment, do you think there is any room for someone to raise their doubts or ask questions? Yes I am on online forums and your blog because at the moment that is the only avenue open to me. Which reminds me to applaud you for being honest and not stopping or blocking comments so thank you for that. You are also using civilised language so again thank you and believe me when I say that you are in a small way helping me by having this conversation.

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  14. I wanted to add one more thing. Someone either on this topic or another mentioned that the only people who are expressing sympathy towards ex-Mazoon are those who have direct dealings with him. Well here is one person that is an exception to that and am sure there will be others too. I cannot even remember whether or not I even spoke to him (maybe I had when I was too young). But I knew who he was because we always took his name in the misaq. I did find it odd that he did not seem to get much mention since the Africa episode and he stopped visiting most places outside India but never did I ever consider him a “dushman”. Simply because I did not have any reason to do that. My Moula Burhanuddin RA never said anything and the misaq always confirmed his rutba so why would I? This is the kind of background that I am coming from. And maybe that is why we seem to be polar opposites – you probably cannot even comprehend that such people exist who knew nothing about what you are considering common knowledge about ex-Mazoon.

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    • I think most mumineen are in your shoes. However, most Mumineen also were close to Burhanuddin Moula’s shehzadas so they don’t have trust issues like you do (according to how you interpret the nass at Raudat Tahera)

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      • About shehzadas, I do have one thing I want to raise here. Qaid Johar BS is still proudly displaying the “doctorate” that he received in Madras from some so called Sri Lankan university. It is common knowledge that this university is known to offer what is in effect fake degrees in exchange for money – please read this: http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/karnataka/Sri-Lankan-Doctorates-For-Sale-in-Blore/2014/08/13/article2376851.ece
        Now i can understand that he may not have known this at the time if was given to him but afterwards a simple search on the internet would have revealed that it is dubious. It raises questions on his judgment if he is still displaying this doctorate and also allowing functions to congratulate him over it.

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      • I guess I might see what you’re thinking – but when have people actually cared about Shehzada Qaid Johar Bhaisaheb’s doctorate. This is the first I am hearing for it. It’s his deeni knowledge that attracts mumineen. I would never place my spiritual devotion in the hands of any university’s conferment of a degree. Universities all have strange practices – which are sometimes amazing, but sometimes they invest in places which a good human being would not consider – for instance in occupied Palestine.

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  15. Dear sir
    the real reason for this blog is to insult ; brainwashing; any person having reason to find where is true haq.
    let resrve this baseless arguments for court hearing.
    in court only hard proofs works and no emotional arguments.

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    • So if Khuzaima Qutbuddin loses in court, which he has in some places like in London, then what does that mean? Does this mean that you believe the courts and an exterior power only have the right to judge? I think the only brainwashing is coming from Khuzaima Qutbuddin.

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  16. If by London you are referring to the UK Charity Commission ruling, then you may also want to know that people had to sign on their Wajebaat forms that they have accepted Mufaddal BS as Dai. Why was this done and were those forms then submitted to Charity Commission as proof? The announcement from Qaid Johar BS about the ruling came after Ramadan so it is a valid question to ask.

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    • I don’t think anyone is following Mufaddal Moula TUS out of force. You and I both know it would never work that way, especially in Western countries where people are free to do what they want. It is pretty much a given, considering our religion, that all tenets of the faith revolve around the walayat of Dai and Imam. So again, you present your facts with a certain bias geared towards coercion. I don’t really think that’s the case. And are you sure about the wajebaat forms or did you just hear that? Even so – what really is the big deal?

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  17. can this blog produce copy of judgement which states that plantife has lost case ?
    let truth shine and not play with words .lets people decide what judgement means

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  18. you people can have fateh mubin celebration on basis of london jugdement as ordinary muminie canot read and understand legal terms .
    as stated in urs waaz ‘”we are the law here and court verdict does not aplies on religious sentiment “

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    • And to be honest, most Mumineen don’t care about what is going on and people only know Khuzaima Qutbuddin now as Dawedaar. He will go down in Dawoodi Bohra history like Majdu’ and Ja’far because of his false claim. Instead of giving hidayat in the light he chose to lurk in the shadows and scheme. This is not particularly the characteristics of the Duat, wouldn’t you agree?

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  19. sir
    can we have copy please or is stated in copy that ” following person is mujdu and jafer” by honourable commison

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  20. sir ordinary mumines are very much following court proceding .
    but where is copy for mumi nens as you said law is not rocket science ?

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  21. as stated by bhaisheb this fateh muben and comision has thrown away case .
    in reality something is diferent stated in judgement so kindly produce copy .
    or you donot want us to undestand law and become more educated

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    • I am having trouble understanding what you’re saying. You are free to believe whatever you want. It’s a free world! If you think that all of Burhanuddin Moula’s RA Shehzadas always lie to people and are somehow coercing them to follow Mufaddal Moula TUS because Mumineen are uneducated you can believe that. If you need the judgement, write to the UK Charity Commission and ask them what they meant by the judgement and ask them if they felt that it was coerced. People have really moved on and don’t care.

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  22. sir
    in high court affidavit you stated that
    ” nass can be retracted back”
    so it implies nass was done in first place.
    pls prove when syedna mohamed Burhanuddin (ra) tpok it back.
    as you have said law is not rocket sceince so pls educate us on this new jargon of law

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    • I haven’t read the high court affidavit, have you? But you keep on saying ‘jargon of the law?’ Of which law do you speak? Common law – from which the Indian court system is derived would not have such ‘jargon’ written in it because the law was written for the common people and not just the Dawoodi Bohras. However, having said that, Common Law is based on Judeo-Christian principles and not Shari’a or Dawoodi Bohra theology – so the fact that Khuzaima Qutbuddin is asking the court, which cannot be an expert in theology, to solve a theological matter is quite interesting. Something like this would have made sense in colonial India where the colonial powers made it their business to interfere in the affairs of religious communities. However, in this day and age, asking an external power to decide who is the Dai is unprecedented and only reflects that Khuzaima Qutbuddin has no faith in God left. Yet – rest assured, the judicial system in India can decide this matter within minutes simply because the lie that Khuzaima Qutbuddin and his children have perpetuated is blatantly clear and nonsensical. So whatever you have mentioned – I am sure makes sense in a legal framework so when the judge makes his decision I am sure you can ask him what that means.

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    • Whether nass can be retracted or not is a second thing! First u ppl will have to prove that nass was done KQ. (Which you can’t, as nass was NEVER done on him). You sense of using logic is hilarious.

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  23. Mr qutbuddin
    A friend of min was loyal towards you..
    I asked him you Haider culcuttawala always says FATEMI DAWAT ZINDABAD now I get it you have already prepared your DAWAT since last 6 yrs..what a shame when sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin ra was Hayat u started making your own DAWAT… N when the Mubarak nass was being done on sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin tus you ran away to London or American for your operation ( does this operation was seriously done or was just a fake news spread by your followers)

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  24. Dear mr rocket sceintist if you say so why did your first team of council resign and this is 3 rd judge in 10 months.
    if you have already predicted your fateh mubine so go ahead
    let tkhatnaseen program begin with chef guest the hounrable judge ?

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  25. Doesnt mr saleh’s language seem v similar to mukhtar and danas… well mr saleh firstly we all know that no nass was done on kq, bt bec he has been bragging abt the nass and tat once nass confrd cannot b retractd, we in court r just trying to prve ur point rong. That doesnt mean nass was done on kq bt to block u frm all sides it jus means that even if kq says this v have an ansr for it.

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  26. Does muminie have raza to be present in court hearing ?
    or its like a some no go zone if you vist some black magic will control munines

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  27. Dear mr saleh y r u so excited about the raza haven’t ur moula mr qutbuddin given his followers raza to be present?
    And @abde syedna ur line “u dare mufaddal moula to pick the quraan nd take a oath that he is the real dai” by saying d this u hit a nail on ur head itself it means any shehzadas or brothers would have picked up the quraan nd had taken the oath u would have started following him is it so?

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  28. Mr Kimanumanu
    You have stated in an earlier post of yours..I quote

    ” For the record, I fully trusted and revered Syedna Burhanuddin RA and, like others, had accepted the “nass” when it was announced and later done publicly in Raudat Tahera. However, now that I have had the opportunity to view the video again and listen to audio recordings that were not available back then, it has made me re-think. ”

    There is a very clear basic belief in our deen that ” la yanqado shak al yaqeen” doubt can not undermine belief.
    If 3 years ago you accepted the nass, then Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS is mansoos is your yaqeen. Audio videos of ambiguous nature cannot and should not undermine your belief in what you had clear conviction in.

    Furthermore you state that ” …I fully trusted and revered Syedna Burhanuddin RA. ..”
    Why is your sentence in the past tense? Do you no longer trust and revere Burhanuddin Moula RA? Or have I misinterpreted you?

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  29. Yes I had a doubt in the ex mazoon bec of his actions against Burhanddin Maula ra ( I hav witnsd many myslf) bt did nt voice it bec Buthanuddin Maula ra had kept him in the rutba that time for watevr hikmat it may b. We respected the rutba. Well for u kimanu donot fool us with ur so called confusion and pretend to b nt on either side. If u r supporting kq atlst hav the guts to say that openly and atlst take d name of ur self proclaimed so called dai’s name with respect instead of calling him ex. Donot try to lure ppl with the qutbi tactics of hate speeches in majlises and stuf. We r well aware of ur and ur masters cheap tricks now. Plz go on that progressives site and gain knowledge there. Well I wonder u r registrd on a site wch is cmpltly hate filled and its only motive is to spread hate and false and then u come here and like a 5 yr old kid keep braging abt hate speeches. Please donot teach us what to do.

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  30. Mr. Kimanumanu

    Mr. KQ’s actions are not what is being discussed atm, rather I was talking about Burhanuddin Moula’s RA nass action on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS. Do Not digress from the point.
    And as to KQ’S actions, as Huzefa bhai said, we were all in doubt about the things he used to do…the evidence of that is plenty, it does not need repeating. But Burhanuddin Moula RA was quiet so we were quiet. The Dai knows best, when to keep quiet when to speak out, when to do something when not to.
    If KQ had not claimed what he claimed, he would still be in a respected position. But since he HAS claimed, he has fallen from grace, fallen to the lowest possible place..fallen in the depths of sijjeen. May he rot there till the end of time

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  31. So you admit you had doubts based on what you saw. The same way I have doubts based on what I have seen of Raudat Tahera event.

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    • Still avoiding the main point about Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

      Never mind….
      The bloggers earlier were right..you only understand KQ s and munafeqeen’s words ..

      واذا خاطبهم الجاهلون قالوا سلاما

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    • We the followers of SYEDNA MUFADDAL SAIFUDDIN TUS r at peace. Bt since ur so called self proclaimed dai has to prove himslf and his followers have to prove themslvs right, u guys r nt at peace. There is fire inside u wch makes u thnk or makes u want to prove everythng arnd u rong and only ur actions as right. Burn here and hereafter kimanu. Donot worry abt us. I have told u this so many time and will tell u again plz be at the progressive blog whr u wil find the actual peace of mind.

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  32. Actually, you r “manu ki na manu” (the confused one), right from the beginning LOL:)
    RIP dude kimanumanumanumanumanumanumanumanu!!

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